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		<title>By: Elfred</title>
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		<description>Hi everybody,

Sorry guys/gals, but I need to catch a show, again. Hahahahaha...

Aiyah, Panter... why can&#039;t you be a good boy??? Alamak~

I remember I have a new posting to complete. Lest we have such seriously-meant essay for me to read like Hades&#039;, I must take leave for the show. Exciting yo!

Ciao.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everybody,</p>
<p>Sorry guys/gals, but I need to catch a show, again. Hahahahaha&#8230;</p>
<p>Aiyah, Panter&#8230; why can&#8217;t you be a good boy??? Alamak~</p>
<p>I remember I have a new posting to complete. Lest we have such seriously-meant essay for me to read like Hades&#8217;, I must take leave for the show. Exciting yo!</p>
<p>Ciao.</p>
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		<title>By: Elfred</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hades!

I tend not to reply of late cos I am busy with something more important than politics and governance... I got movies to watch. Hahahahaha...

The people at TOC is nothing. I got worse in YPforum, and at the recent YNTUC forum. Whether they stand where, these I classified as &#039;radicals&#039;. If you read them, you&#039;d not miss the nosense. Hahahaha... But nowadays, I also tok cock since no one really offer anything better.

About Minister Wong... I know what you and others are thinking. I am not the P65 MPs, I know the grounds like the vampires in underworld. I know PAP from old retired and now dead MPs and veterans since I was in primary school. What you said is the &#039;systematic&#039; part in the utmost level, but in politics and governance, you have to go deeper; and we&#039;d be unfair if we only read the matter from anyone&#039;s point of view and ignore the decision makers&#039;. Obviously, this situation of mindsets is the MM&#039;s own creation, and it&#039;d come haunting not only DPM Wong but... PM Lee when MM departs. Something which I shall never have openly emailed MM on as a civilian.

As I have explained, &quot;You don&#039;t just behead generals just because they fail the mission&quot;. It&#039;s not something that you can go by some immature lawyers&#039; points-advance. There is only one point in this show: Politics. And what I am saying is about stability, not becos DPM Wong&#039;s rumored relationship with the Lee family.

In short, and in reluctance to explain something that is so simple to myself, you cannot remove DPM Wong just becos of an incident in such a nature. To me, after MM is gone, DPM Wong is a critical stablizer. Hence, since I know MM will not want to remove him, and the public&#039;s case is not strong enough, what will you have me standing on?

The fence, of cos. I stand on the fence not becos of will and fancy.

I am not really condemning Dr Chee becos he take to the streets, but because he is really lousy... just like Ti Lik. I cannot forgive a political leader who had fixed Chiam out of SDP just perhaps because of some ideological differences... You can replace Chiam, but in politics you do so &#039;properly&#039;.

Hades, I am not pro-PAP. I am in no way that &#039;radical&#039;-looking to you, I hope. Hahahahahaha... And of cos, I cannot be making people happy by purposely attacking PAP. Not me, man. I am not &lt;strong&gt;evil&lt;/strong&gt;, obviously. I am a neutral, a moderate, and in whatever names you call it.

Not that I write pro PAP articles here, but I know the &#039;official&#039; version of PAP... although there is a Wilson (of YNTUC Forum) version in &#039;PAP bombardment&#039;. I know the strengths and weaknesses of the MM, the SM and... gradually the PM. Our family knows the relative of SM Goh, by the way... And I have made updates to the MM, my childhood idol and research subject, hence. Hahaha... So I am not that bothered by the badmouths on myself, precisely when I have kept myself at the parameter from all those competitions and such closer to the core.

There is a reason why I don&#039;t take to the streets like Ti Lik follows Dr Chee. And the reason is easy to understand. Asoka did not fight like a lunatic and expect to win. The situation now... I know very well, MM is... probably agitated already. He spoke again recently about some ministry and such... The point is, even the MM knows. Why doesn&#039;t the Lee family starts something more... &#039;motivated&#039;? Dr Lee WL had a known argument with Mr Philip Yeo... Why is MM backing Philip?

Think, Hades. Singaporeans don&#039;t understand politics and governance...

I cannot move outside the parameter, when the door is not open. I am not some &#039;last-action&#039; hero who just jump... And what can a dead man do? Hahahahahaha... You can see that when I raise issues, no matter how sensitive, if you think and observe carefully, there are all within the parameter. I criticise, I whine, I yell... and you think I am the pawn.

The gahmen can change or not, it&#039;s not just &#039;if it has to&#039;. But I agree with you generally, but the science behind this is not that simple. Say, if I were to go to opposition&#039;s camp, I can. And I can do so in two ways at least, and one of it is like what Gomez and Ti Lik did. It&#039;s relevant, but not easy to understand a concept.

When you plot a land, you cannot just pull the crops up so that they grow faster, Hades. Hahahaha... You have to sow the seeds, know the weather, know where the winds are, and know the pests, and where to find the tools and helpers. And you cannot just be too greedy... There is this Beggarcrap, talking about no one will support me. Well, what do you think?

I don&#039;t want &#039;support&#039;. If I have too much support in such critical time, what will MM see me as?

A threat.

I take risk, but not any risk. When the ministers promoted internet and blogging, I was there, I &#039;supported&#039; this opera, I also know where this is going. But I just play along with the call. I even ever wrote to the MP some subtle views about this opening of floodgate. Hahahahahahaha...

I have never gotten any threats for my blogging on Singapore gahmen issues. But I have &lt;strong&gt;probably&lt;/strong&gt; encountered some... special events before.

Going to the streets is not the most powerful method, though I can understand it as the &#039;shiok-est&#039; effort. And I prefer to be &#039;officially&#039; anonymous, no matter if the entire party knows who this whining joker really is.

The most powerful method against a gahmen... is the gahmen itself. I said before, the oppositions always win mostly becos the gahmen surrenders power. If Badawi has visited YPforum and read my views when he started, I don&#039;t think he&#039;d even bring Kairy into politics or supposed he had a second way, hence surrendering so much power now.

Unless PAP forces me to the opposition, I&#039;d try to stay a moderate, and stay out from even MPS. Right now, Taiwan needs me more than Singapore does. Actually, Singapore is going down into a mess. You can assume it is arrogance if you want to, but if I don&#039;t come to clear this mess eventually... I cannot expect anyone else to.

There are just so few, if any, of politically viable elements produced in such social engineering over dog years.

Singaporeans&#039; problem is not just the education, it&#039;s the general environment where system dominates. No choice. Systems know nothing much about Human, compassion, moral, wisdom and so on. Basically, you don&#039;t even need to think. Hahahahahaha... If you are careful enough, you&#039;d observe that we are politically weakening in the global stage. When the MM is gone, this PM will have to struggle through all these while he works in this huge pile of red tapes engulfing him to ensure Singapore stays afloat. Mission impossible... kinda.

There are many things you don&#039;t understand about PAP. Many of the party members don&#039;t understand PAP as well, which is as what PM... honestly said, even MPs don&#039;t understand their policies. YNTUC forum is just a minor thing in this mamouth, for eg. There are many people, and they are some who could be like you, like him, like her... If you feel insulted, you shouldn&#039;t be. Many online attacks based on all sorts of things. The point is, moderates or the unreasonables or the emotionals... we are the pawns and players at the same time.

Dr Chee and Ti Lik... are you sure who is and is not the pawn of the other? 

The TOC people must... know who and what to support if they want themselves to be supported. Very often, Singaporeans are just &#039;happy la la&#039; groups, highly disorganised competing (or fighting) among themselves in smartalec fashion and they don&#039;t understand what they think they have understood. My view about Singaporeans is that they wanna fight... they fight to lose by winning big in small battles. They don&#039;t know what is the bigger scope of things. It&#039;s just the usual myopic thinking.

I can tell you this, PAP is real lucky becos opposition is real lousy. SDP is real silly but it is very innovative, but still-- so what? No one in Opposition really really cares what leadership is although even Goh Meng Seng and his likes are talking about political leadership... and Robert is talking about Democracy... Gosh~

Look at Anwar. Look at him. That&#039;s a leader. That&#039;s someone whom people can get off the fence for. Malaysia got two now: The smart Badawi and the charismatic Anwar.

Oppositions wanna win? Can they even handle Elfred?

When I really give political speech, and you got to see it, you&#039;d know the difference as compared to those wannabes.

Many are talking about the &#039;fearsome&#039; GRCs, Hades.

GRC is no big deal. It is a fence only to stop pigs, it cannot stop dragons.

Hahahaha... I don&#039;t have the habit of removing comments. MM doesn&#039;t believe in free speech... I don&#039;t care about free speech, because my belief in governance is good governance, not good or bad speech. That&#039;s why I am different from him. 

In this globalised &#039;global village&#039;, how many mouths can I stop? Hahahahaha...

Back then when PAP&#039;s parliamentary monopoly was broken by a bunch of oppositions including that clown Ling How Doong, where was the internet? 

If you expect every email of mine to MM is like saying yes, painting compliments and praises and such sweet nothings, you&#039;re underestimating the old man and you don&#039;t know Elfred. Don&#039;t worry. Your comment stays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hades!</p>
<p>I tend not to reply of late cos I am busy with something more important than politics and governance&#8230; I got movies to watch. Hahahahaha&#8230;</p>
<p>The people at TOC is nothing. I got worse in YPforum, and at the recent YNTUC forum. Whether they stand where, these I classified as &#8216;radicals&#8217;. If you read them, you&#8217;d not miss the nosense. Hahahaha&#8230; But nowadays, I also tok cock since no one really offer anything better.</p>
<p>About Minister Wong&#8230; I know what you and others are thinking. I am not the P65 MPs, I know the grounds like the vampires in underworld. I know PAP from old retired and now dead MPs and veterans since I was in primary school. What you said is the &#8217;systematic&#8217; part in the utmost level, but in politics and governance, you have to go deeper; and we&#8217;d be unfair if we only read the matter from anyone&#8217;s point of view and ignore the decision makers&#8217;. Obviously, this situation of mindsets is the MM&#8217;s own creation, and it&#8217;d come haunting not only DPM Wong but&#8230; PM Lee when MM departs. Something which I shall never have openly emailed MM on as a civilian.</p>
<p>As I have explained, &#8220;You don&#8217;t just behead generals just because they fail the mission&#8221;. It&#8217;s not something that you can go by some immature lawyers&#8217; points-advance. There is only one point in this show: Politics. And what I am saying is about stability, not becos DPM Wong&#8217;s rumored relationship with the Lee family.</p>
<p>In short, and in reluctance to explain something that is so simple to myself, you cannot remove DPM Wong just becos of an incident in such a nature. To me, after MM is gone, DPM Wong is a critical stablizer. Hence, since I know MM will not want to remove him, and the public&#8217;s case is not strong enough, what will you have me standing on?</p>
<p>The fence, of cos. I stand on the fence not becos of will and fancy.</p>
<p>I am not really condemning Dr Chee becos he take to the streets, but because he is really lousy&#8230; just like Ti Lik. I cannot forgive a political leader who had fixed Chiam out of SDP just perhaps because of some ideological differences&#8230; You can replace Chiam, but in politics you do so &#8216;properly&#8217;.</p>
<p>Hades, I am not pro-PAP. I am in no way that &#8216;radical&#8217;-looking to you, I hope. Hahahahahaha&#8230; And of cos, I cannot be making people happy by purposely attacking PAP. Not me, man. I am not <strong>evil</strong>, obviously. I am a neutral, a moderate, and in whatever names you call it.</p>
<p>Not that I write pro PAP articles here, but I know the &#8216;official&#8217; version of PAP&#8230; although there is a Wilson (of YNTUC Forum) version in &#8216;PAP bombardment&#8217;. I know the strengths and weaknesses of the MM, the SM and&#8230; gradually the PM. Our family knows the relative of SM Goh, by the way&#8230; And I have made updates to the MM, my childhood idol and research subject, hence. Hahaha&#8230; So I am not that bothered by the badmouths on myself, precisely when I have kept myself at the parameter from all those competitions and such closer to the core.</p>
<p>There is a reason why I don&#8217;t take to the streets like Ti Lik follows Dr Chee. And the reason is easy to understand. Asoka did not fight like a lunatic and expect to win. The situation now&#8230; I know very well, MM is&#8230; probably agitated already. He spoke again recently about some ministry and such&#8230; The point is, even the MM knows. Why doesn&#8217;t the Lee family starts something more&#8230; &#8216;motivated&#8217;? Dr Lee WL had a known argument with Mr Philip Yeo&#8230; Why is MM backing Philip?</p>
<p>Think, Hades. Singaporeans don&#8217;t understand politics and governance&#8230;</p>
<p>I cannot move outside the parameter, when the door is not open. I am not some &#8216;last-action&#8217; hero who just jump&#8230; And what can a dead man do? Hahahahahaha&#8230; You can see that when I raise issues, no matter how sensitive, if you think and observe carefully, there are all within the parameter. I criticise, I whine, I yell&#8230; and you think I am the pawn.</p>
<p>The gahmen can change or not, it&#8217;s not just &#8216;if it has to&#8217;. But I agree with you generally, but the science behind this is not that simple. Say, if I were to go to opposition&#8217;s camp, I can. And I can do so in two ways at least, and one of it is like what Gomez and Ti Lik did. It&#8217;s relevant, but not easy to understand a concept.</p>
<p>When you plot a land, you cannot just pull the crops up so that they grow faster, Hades. Hahahaha&#8230; You have to sow the seeds, know the weather, know where the winds are, and know the pests, and where to find the tools and helpers. And you cannot just be too greedy&#8230; There is this Beggarcrap, talking about no one will support me. Well, what do you think?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want &#8217;support&#8217;. If I have too much support in such critical time, what will MM see me as?</p>
<p>A threat.</p>
<p>I take risk, but not any risk. When the ministers promoted internet and blogging, I was there, I &#8217;supported&#8217; this opera, I also know where this is going. But I just play along with the call. I even ever wrote to the MP some subtle views about this opening of floodgate. Hahahahahahaha&#8230;</p>
<p>I have never gotten any threats for my blogging on Singapore gahmen issues. But I have <strong>probably</strong> encountered some&#8230; special events before.</p>
<p>Going to the streets is not the most powerful method, though I can understand it as the &#8217;shiok-est&#8217; effort. And I prefer to be &#8216;officially&#8217; anonymous, no matter if the entire party knows who this whining joker really is.</p>
<p>The most powerful method against a gahmen&#8230; is the gahmen itself. I said before, the oppositions always win mostly becos the gahmen surrenders power. If Badawi has visited YPforum and read my views when he started, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;d even bring Kairy into politics or supposed he had a second way, hence surrendering so much power now.</p>
<p>Unless PAP forces me to the opposition, I&#8217;d try to stay a moderate, and stay out from even MPS. Right now, Taiwan needs me more than Singapore does. Actually, Singapore is going down into a mess. You can assume it is arrogance if you want to, but if I don&#8217;t come to clear this mess eventually&#8230; I cannot expect anyone else to.</p>
<p>There are just so few, if any, of politically viable elements produced in such social engineering over dog years.</p>
<p>Singaporeans&#8217; problem is not just the education, it&#8217;s the general environment where system dominates. No choice. Systems know nothing much about Human, compassion, moral, wisdom and so on. Basically, you don&#8217;t even need to think. Hahahahahaha&#8230; If you are careful enough, you&#8217;d observe that we are politically weakening in the global stage. When the MM is gone, this PM will have to struggle through all these while he works in this huge pile of red tapes engulfing him to ensure Singapore stays afloat. Mission impossible&#8230; kinda.</p>
<p>There are many things you don&#8217;t understand about PAP. Many of the party members don&#8217;t understand PAP as well, which is as what PM&#8230; honestly said, even MPs don&#8217;t understand their policies. YNTUC forum is just a minor thing in this mamouth, for eg. There are many people, and they are some who could be like you, like him, like her&#8230; If you feel insulted, you shouldn&#8217;t be. Many online attacks based on all sorts of things. The point is, moderates or the unreasonables or the emotionals&#8230; we are the pawns and players at the same time.</p>
<p>Dr Chee and Ti Lik&#8230; are you sure who is and is not the pawn of the other? </p>
<p>The TOC people must&#8230; know who and what to support if they want themselves to be supported. Very often, Singaporeans are just &#8216;happy la la&#8217; groups, highly disorganised competing (or fighting) among themselves in smartalec fashion and they don&#8217;t understand what they think they have understood. My view about Singaporeans is that they wanna fight&#8230; they fight to lose by winning big in small battles. They don&#8217;t know what is the bigger scope of things. It&#8217;s just the usual myopic thinking.</p>
<p>I can tell you this, PAP is real lucky becos opposition is real lousy. SDP is real silly but it is very innovative, but still&#8211; so what? No one in Opposition really really cares what leadership is although even Goh Meng Seng and his likes are talking about political leadership&#8230; and Robert is talking about Democracy&#8230; Gosh~</p>
<p>Look at Anwar. Look at him. That&#8217;s a leader. That&#8217;s someone whom people can get off the fence for. Malaysia got two now: The smart Badawi and the charismatic Anwar.</p>
<p>Oppositions wanna win? Can they even handle Elfred?</p>
<p>When I really give political speech, and you got to see it, you&#8217;d know the difference as compared to those wannabes.</p>
<p>Many are talking about the &#8216;fearsome&#8217; GRCs, Hades.</p>
<p>GRC is no big deal. It is a fence only to stop pigs, it cannot stop dragons.</p>
<p>Hahahaha&#8230; I don&#8217;t have the habit of removing comments. MM doesn&#8217;t believe in free speech&#8230; I don&#8217;t care about free speech, because my belief in governance is good governance, not good or bad speech. That&#8217;s why I am different from him. </p>
<p>In this globalised &#8216;global village&#8217;, how many mouths can I stop? Hahahahaha&#8230;</p>
<p>Back then when PAP&#8217;s parliamentary monopoly was broken by a bunch of oppositions including that clown Ling How Doong, where was the internet? </p>
<p>If you expect every email of mine to MM is like saying yes, painting compliments and praises and such sweet nothings, you&#8217;re underestimating the old man and you don&#8217;t know Elfred. Don&#8217;t worry. Your comment stays.</p>
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		<title>By: Hades</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elfred,

I just wanted to comment on some of your posts at TOC and on your site, and I couldn&#039;t find an email address so here goes.

I see where you&#039;re coming from, especially when you question the rather personal nature of the attacks that were directed against you when you posted on the escape of Mas Selamat and the subsequent brouhaha it created in the local political and media scene. some of the comments made were indeed not reflective of a mature, honest mind. 

However, I have to disagree with you on one point at least. I firmly believe that DPM Wong should have been sacked. It is not because I particularly hate the PAP, but it is simply the right thing to have been done under the circumstances. 

I don&#039;t believe that he should be sacked just because an alleged terrorist escaped under his watch, but for his general incompetence in handling both the hunt and the subsequent media coverage. Allow me to dissect the dominoes, so to speak.

Firstly there is the direct involvement. As minister of Home Affairs, it is his responsibility ultimately to ensure that nothing goes wrong with the Home Affairs machinery, and this includes ensuring that detainees in prisons and other establishments are kept &#039;detained&#039;. Obviously there was a serious lapse and eventually the road leads to him, simply for being top dog when it happened. This has nothing to do personally with DPM Wong, but it is to do with the security and safety of Singaporeans that he, indirectly through his offices, put in grave danger by allowing the man to escape. While this itself is not sufficient grounds for his removal, it certainly is a mark against him.

Secondly, his failure to inform the nation on what happened also is a mark against him. He should have immediately put the nation on alert, and he chose not to. He chose not to alert Singaporeans till a few hours after the escape, and even then the details given were too sketchy for any use. He could be describing my friendly Malay neighbour for all the good it did in capturing MSK. 
His attitude also was surprisingly laissez faire for someone whose ministry allowed a major terrorist to escape. His apology was half-hearted, insincere and even condescending. His decisions all showed an obvious lack of competence on his part and I think anyone is justified in calling for his head.

Thirdly, his sacking would have been a political masterstroke, to show people that the PAP is not above taking firm action against its own supposed &#039;elite&#039;. Sacking a top dog like Wong would have sent strong signals that the government means business when it says it only wants the best for the job and mistakes of this nature will not be tolerated. To be really honest, what real use is WKS anyway? He&#039;s simply another benchwarmer in an increasingly clueless parliament, whose loss would not have meant that Singaporeans would become &quot;maids in other countries&quot;. 

Okay now that that is out of the way, I find something you say rather puzzling. You seem to be assured of yourself that &#039;taking to the streets&#039; is not a good option for change in Singapore. According to you, it seems that the only way to get change is to engage the current system and hope that in the long run things will benefit all Singaporeans. This is not a surprising view actually, and in fact looking at history, this was a common tactic used in the past by people under oppressive regimes. For example, back in the early 20th Century, the Indian intelligentsia was divided on its view of British rule. While a group of them wanted to toss the white man on his rear and watch him bounce, many of the &#039;elite&#039; preferred to use a more &quot;moderate&quot; approach of petitions and engagement of the British regime. They even labelled those seeking independence as &quot;extremists&quot;. Your view seems rather similar to these &#039;moderates&#039;. They of course ended up becoming pawns to the British even though they did not intend to be, and then the Jallianwalah Bagh massacre happened in Punjab which pretty much started their fading to irrelevance. Thankfully such an episode has not been repeated in Singapore.

I for one think that taking to the streets is the most powerful way to show ANY government that the people mean business. I may have misread you but you seem to have a poor opinion of what Singaporeans are made of. As a fellow teacher, I agree that there is too little political awareness in Singapore. When I came here (11 years ago, did my NS and became a Singaporean), I was amazed at the political apathy here, but I see this as a failing of the education system, not of the people. Singaporeans, I have noticed are passionate about government and politics but many don&#039;t even know what is the role of an MP or a minister, and these are very educated people. How has this state of affairs come into being? Obviously this was not a problem during times of economic success. People were happy and everything went well except for a few bellyachers who complained about what was then seen as meaningless things, but now it&#039;s very different. People are more willing to stand up and be counted but they have already been hamstrung right at the beginning by bad education policies and worse social conditioning policies. No one really knows what to say or when and to whom, so they turn to the only authority figure they see, i.e. the government. People do not take to the streets just because they have nothing better to do. They do so because they are either tired, or have nothing to lose or usually both. 

I am also surprised at your &#039;condemnation&#039; of Dr Chee. I talked to the man and while I don&#039;t agree with many of his views (including his strange friendship with some Reaganites in the US), I see him as someone who is reasonable and has a conviction about him that many Singaporeans would do well to learn from. I see his methods as simply part of normal democratic process anywhere else in the world. The problem is, Singaporeans are such frogs in wells, and their world view is so simplistic and blinkered that any action that does not jive with their world view is seen as strange and monstrous. I face this every day in my class, and I teach in a junior college with supposedly smart minds!

I too agree that the mask of anonymity has no place in political discourse and I have already been threatened to close my old website with lawsuits (which is why I operate my new site from the US). I know first hand how petty government regulations can become. But your option seems to be even worse, just sit tight and hope they change their minds! 

I don&#039;t know if I read you correctly, and if I didn&#039;t I apologise, but the only way governments change is when they have to, not when they want to. In Singapore the only way to change anything here is to show the government in no uncertain terms the real grouses of the people, and then maybe we won&#039;t have our intelligences insulted by nonsense like &quot;Singaporeans are complacent because of extra-efficient government&quot;.

I also do have to point out that while you label yourself a &#039;neutral&#039; you are invariably siding with the powers that be, and maybe you cannot see it from your vantage position, but it is fairly obvious to anyone else. You may not intend to come across this way but this is the message the rest of the readers at TOC are getting. While I don&#039;t approve of some of the things said to you in those posts at TOC, I can see where they come from.

I posted this under this post because it seemed somewhat relevant as I did not have your email address. If you wish you can remove my comment at your leisure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elfred,</p>
<p>I just wanted to comment on some of your posts at TOC and on your site, and I couldn&#8217;t find an email address so here goes.</p>
<p>I see where you&#8217;re coming from, especially when you question the rather personal nature of the attacks that were directed against you when you posted on the escape of Mas Selamat and the subsequent brouhaha it created in the local political and media scene. some of the comments made were indeed not reflective of a mature, honest mind. </p>
<p>However, I have to disagree with you on one point at least. I firmly believe that DPM Wong should have been sacked. It is not because I particularly hate the PAP, but it is simply the right thing to have been done under the circumstances. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that he should be sacked just because an alleged terrorist escaped under his watch, but for his general incompetence in handling both the hunt and the subsequent media coverage. Allow me to dissect the dominoes, so to speak.</p>
<p>Firstly there is the direct involvement. As minister of Home Affairs, it is his responsibility ultimately to ensure that nothing goes wrong with the Home Affairs machinery, and this includes ensuring that detainees in prisons and other establishments are kept &#8216;detained&#8217;. Obviously there was a serious lapse and eventually the road leads to him, simply for being top dog when it happened. This has nothing to do personally with DPM Wong, but it is to do with the security and safety of Singaporeans that he, indirectly through his offices, put in grave danger by allowing the man to escape. While this itself is not sufficient grounds for his removal, it certainly is a mark against him.</p>
<p>Secondly, his failure to inform the nation on what happened also is a mark against him. He should have immediately put the nation on alert, and he chose not to. He chose not to alert Singaporeans till a few hours after the escape, and even then the details given were too sketchy for any use. He could be describing my friendly Malay neighbour for all the good it did in capturing MSK.<br />
His attitude also was surprisingly laissez faire for someone whose ministry allowed a major terrorist to escape. His apology was half-hearted, insincere and even condescending. His decisions all showed an obvious lack of competence on his part and I think anyone is justified in calling for his head.</p>
<p>Thirdly, his sacking would have been a political masterstroke, to show people that the PAP is not above taking firm action against its own supposed &#8216;elite&#8217;. Sacking a top dog like Wong would have sent strong signals that the government means business when it says it only wants the best for the job and mistakes of this nature will not be tolerated. To be really honest, what real use is WKS anyway? He&#8217;s simply another benchwarmer in an increasingly clueless parliament, whose loss would not have meant that Singaporeans would become &#8220;maids in other countries&#8221;. </p>
<p>Okay now that that is out of the way, I find something you say rather puzzling. You seem to be assured of yourself that &#8216;taking to the streets&#8217; is not a good option for change in Singapore. According to you, it seems that the only way to get change is to engage the current system and hope that in the long run things will benefit all Singaporeans. This is not a surprising view actually, and in fact looking at history, this was a common tactic used in the past by people under oppressive regimes. For example, back in the early 20th Century, the Indian intelligentsia was divided on its view of British rule. While a group of them wanted to toss the white man on his rear and watch him bounce, many of the &#8216;elite&#8217; preferred to use a more &#8220;moderate&#8221; approach of petitions and engagement of the British regime. They even labelled those seeking independence as &#8220;extremists&#8221;. Your view seems rather similar to these &#8216;moderates&#8217;. They of course ended up becoming pawns to the British even though they did not intend to be, and then the Jallianwalah Bagh massacre happened in Punjab which pretty much started their fading to irrelevance. Thankfully such an episode has not been repeated in Singapore.</p>
<p>I for one think that taking to the streets is the most powerful way to show ANY government that the people mean business. I may have misread you but you seem to have a poor opinion of what Singaporeans are made of. As a fellow teacher, I agree that there is too little political awareness in Singapore. When I came here (11 years ago, did my NS and became a Singaporean), I was amazed at the political apathy here, but I see this as a failing of the education system, not of the people. Singaporeans, I have noticed are passionate about government and politics but many don&#8217;t even know what is the role of an MP or a minister, and these are very educated people. How has this state of affairs come into being? Obviously this was not a problem during times of economic success. People were happy and everything went well except for a few bellyachers who complained about what was then seen as meaningless things, but now it&#8217;s very different. People are more willing to stand up and be counted but they have already been hamstrung right at the beginning by bad education policies and worse social conditioning policies. No one really knows what to say or when and to whom, so they turn to the only authority figure they see, i.e. the government. People do not take to the streets just because they have nothing better to do. They do so because they are either tired, or have nothing to lose or usually both. </p>
<p>I am also surprised at your &#8216;condemnation&#8217; of Dr Chee. I talked to the man and while I don&#8217;t agree with many of his views (including his strange friendship with some Reaganites in the US), I see him as someone who is reasonable and has a conviction about him that many Singaporeans would do well to learn from. I see his methods as simply part of normal democratic process anywhere else in the world. The problem is, Singaporeans are such frogs in wells, and their world view is so simplistic and blinkered that any action that does not jive with their world view is seen as strange and monstrous. I face this every day in my class, and I teach in a junior college with supposedly smart minds!</p>
<p>I too agree that the mask of anonymity has no place in political discourse and I have already been threatened to close my old website with lawsuits (which is why I operate my new site from the US). I know first hand how petty government regulations can become. But your option seems to be even worse, just sit tight and hope they change their minds! </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I read you correctly, and if I didn&#8217;t I apologise, but the only way governments change is when they have to, not when they want to. In Singapore the only way to change anything here is to show the government in no uncertain terms the real grouses of the people, and then maybe we won&#8217;t have our intelligences insulted by nonsense like &#8220;Singaporeans are complacent because of extra-efficient government&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also do have to point out that while you label yourself a &#8216;neutral&#8217; you are invariably siding with the powers that be, and maybe you cannot see it from your vantage position, but it is fairly obvious to anyone else. You may not intend to come across this way but this is the message the rest of the readers at TOC are getting. While I don&#8217;t approve of some of the things said to you in those posts at TOC, I can see where they come from.</p>
<p>I posted this under this post because it seemed somewhat relevant as I did not have your email address. If you wish you can remove my comment at your leisure.</p>
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		<title>By: Genesis</title>
		<link>http://elfredinario.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/chinese-education-and-singapore/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Panter93, can you please behave? Being a brat online is embarassring to your parents, isn&#039;t it so?

Singapore really have a long way to go in the education compartment. 

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Panter93, can you please behave? Being a brat online is embarassring to your parents, isn&#8217;t it so?</p>
<p>Singapore really have a long way to go in the education compartment. </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: panter92</title>
		<link>http://elfredinario.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/chinese-education-and-singapore/#comment-55</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You had better stop insulting the people and the country like that Elfred. You are embarrassing everyone including yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had better stop insulting the people and the country like that Elfred. You are embarrassing everyone including yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: gleechoo</title>
		<link>http://elfredinario.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/chinese-education-and-singapore/#comment-53</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. &quot;You can’t literally point anything out to Singaporeans because they now have this Great Wall of Singapore; they will throw stones at you if you show them the mirror mirroring their true selves.&quot; -- Hahaha...who&#039;s to blame lah? Finger-pointing again?! 

We think we&#039;re smart and knowing but really we&#039;re a crass and smug lot unfortunately.

Thank you for blogroll -- I was never a straight A student and I don&#039;t hold the 5Cs...so I&#039;m not the typical intelligent Singaporean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. &#8220;You can’t literally point anything out to Singaporeans because they now have this Great Wall of Singapore; they will throw stones at you if you show them the mirror mirroring their true selves.&#8221; &#8212; Hahaha&#8230;who&#8217;s to blame lah? Finger-pointing again?! </p>
<p>We think we&#8217;re smart and knowing but really we&#8217;re a crass and smug lot unfortunately.</p>
<p>Thank you for blogroll &#8212; I was never a straight A student and I don&#8217;t hold the 5Cs&#8230;so I&#8217;m not the typical intelligent Singaporean.</p>
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		<title>By: coolguy</title>
		<link>http://elfredinario.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/chinese-education-and-singapore/#comment-52</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone had this nick online so I took away the 432. It&#039;s still me.

I read about those happenings about you, but since perverts are quite common in cyberspace, you should not be so agitated about them. It is still the fun netizens are after. Singapoor doesn&#039;t have much else to do.

Stay cool. **</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone had this nick online so I took away the 432. It&#8217;s still me.</p>
<p>I read about those happenings about you, but since perverts are quite common in cyberspace, you should not be so agitated about them. It is still the fun netizens are after. Singapoor doesn&#8217;t have much else to do.</p>
<p>Stay cool. **</p>
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		<title>By: elfredinario</title>
		<link>http://elfredinario.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/chinese-education-and-singapore/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>elfredinario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, CoolG!

Wait wait... Tis a blog, tis not your newspaper. Wat&#039;s the hurry? Even earthquake and tsunami take time and needa take a rest.

Want insight? Go sleep inside and dream on. Hahahaha... Kidding.

Why don&#039;t people drop by and leave a comment? At least I know who the jokers passed here... Hahahahaha...

Not in a hurry. Make yourself comfortable here. 
:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, CoolG!</p>
<p>Wait wait&#8230; Tis a blog, tis not your newspaper. Wat&#8217;s the hurry? Even earthquake and tsunami take time and needa take a rest.</p>
<p>Want insight? Go sleep inside and dream on. Hahahaha&#8230; Kidding.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t people drop by and leave a comment? At least I know who the jokers passed here&#8230; Hahahahaha&#8230;</p>
<p>Not in a hurry. Make yourself comfortable here.<br />
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		<title>By: coolguy432</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I am just curious when are you going to finish with this post? It looks like it is in the making for at least a week since I last dropped by.

Make it insightful, mr Elfred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I am just curious when are you going to finish with this post? It looks like it is in the making for at least a week since I last dropped by.</p>
<p>Make it insightful, mr Elfred.</p>
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